Christmas in Marlow-land

[sheep-noises.livejournal.com]

This time o' year always reminds me of

1) The Christmas Play in Wade Minster, from "End of Term" (which I don't have atm as my copy gave up the ghost and fell to pieces >:( ) ;

2) The unconventional Christmas Dinner in a cave, with poor old Ann staying home in case the phone rings :( , from "Run Away Home"; but mostly

3) "Peter's Room". For me, this is the most magical of all those magical books. I must admit I've always skipped the bits in Italics, so I still don't know what fantasy it was that they acted out that Christmas, even though I've read it dozens of times. Don't care, either. The wonderful descriptions of the day-to-day Marlow (and a bit o' Merrick) winter doings are enough to keep me going :)

Comments

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

I do like the Gondal bits - they suffer from the same problem, in my view, as Peter Duck - they're too narratively complex to be a plausible product of the people and circumstances under which they're supposed to be produced - and, indeed, the circumstances under which they are actually produced are wisely left fairly vague - but I love the growing spill-over as Lawrie, Patrick and Ginty in particular take their narratives off in different directions which start affecting their other lives in unpredictable ways. And the moment when Nicola, having nearly been killed by Patrick jumping on her looks up and sees him looking back at her with his Gondal fact really is one of the most chillingly memorable bits in the book, because of course death doesn't matter in the narrative but people in "real life" stay dead, so the fact that he's starting to blur that particular distinction is really worrying.

[rosathome.livejournal.com]

Yes, I agree. I like the idea of Gondal a lot, and the way that AF uses it to explore the boundaries between fact and fiction. I forget which book it is when AF talks about how fictional characters are real to Nicola in a way that they will never be to Ann, and not just because she's younger. But in Peter's Room, I think you get Nicola realising the opposite - that fictional characters are, in very important ways, not real at all, while Patrick and Ginty start to inhabit the fictional world and lose their sense of the real world. Lawrie, I think, is acting in Peter's Room, just like she acts in The Prince and the Pauper, and the Christmas Play. So although she always has a strong sense of how to play at being another person, she doesn't seem to me to be so profoundly affected by Gondal as Patrick and Ginty.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

That was one of the points I made in my talk at the AF con - that Lawrie is sort of protected by its being "business as usual" (though God help us all if some idiot at drama school ever introduces her to the Method).

[coughingbear]

Yes, about the worst thing that happens to Lawrie is that she refuses a second helping of pudding and gets a bit cold while working out one part for herself, I think.

One way it goes on into other books of course is the Patrick/Ginty relationship, which never escapes Gondal and is consequently (we can see) doomed. Fascinating moment when Patrick wonders, after the Great Kerfuffle in Attic Term, whether Ginty would like to hear from him as Rupert or as himself, and his consequent profession of devoted love lacking all conviction as a consequence.

[rosathome.livejournal.com]

Yes. I read Attic Term many years before I got my hands on Peter's Room and was somewhat taken aback by the Rupert/Rosina stuff. Except that even without the backstory it did pretty effectively indicate that this was unlikely to be a lasting relationship.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

I have to say, though, Ginty's reaction to the letter is quite reasonable - having presumably heaved huge sighs of relief that she hasn't managed to get herself or Nicola expelled it must have come as a nasty shock to realise she had managed to get Patrick the boot and failed him his 'O' levels (as we find out in RAH) into the bargain. No wonder she goes into a flat spin and bolts to the other end of the country.

[rosathome.livejournal.com]

Has anyone ever written fic of Ginty's next meeting with Patrick? I would like to read that.

[coughingbear]

Oh entirely. I remember empathising very strongly with her sense that however much Patrick claimed to be delighted to be expelled, his parents and her parents were really not going to see it in the same way.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

Especially given Helena's - um - somewhat chilly personality and the impact on Anthony's political ambitions of any scandal - I know Patrick explains to Jukey that his dad has no ambitions for Cabinet Office, but I bet Ginty doesn't know that.

[smellingbottle.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I've ever really thought the Gondal narratives were too complex to be feasible in the world of the Marlows and Kingscote as AF constructs it. I accepted it much as I accepted her teenagers producing and acting in extraordinarily impressive school plays, having a fairly sophisticated relationship with literary and historical figures, being generally all-round clever and Marlow/Merrick-ish - I don't find the Gondal imaginings that huge a step beyond the vivid fantasy lives of nearly all the characters involved, and their talents. I mean, there are things in the books I find harder to get my head around - small things like affected mummy's girl Pomona being 'surprisingly in character' as Henry on the first read-through!

I agree that the question of how exactly the Gondal narrative is put together is wisely left vague though - and that's a good point about Lawrie being shielded from the blurring of fact and fantasy by her acting.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

I think it's not so much the narrative being too complex but too coherent - given all the competing egos in play, each character gets a surprisingly equal amount of airtime and character development. But maybe it's because I never really see how joint writing - even where only two people are involved - works, even though there are plenty of examples where it works brilliantly.

I have to say our school plays were so ghastly that I'm inclined to regard the inordinate success of the AF ones as being at least as big a fantasy as Gondal, but perhaps much can be said for boarding school in the sense of providing an absence of competing distractions and much more rehearsal time.

My principal bit of disbelief came when Elaine Rees managed to pick up Marie's part on the spot and gave Nick her feed lines.

[rosathome.livejournal.com]

My experience of boarding-school plays is that they are as much a mixed bag as any other school play. Occasionally it all comes together brilliantly, and more often it's a bit of a mess. There was an awful lot of spare time to be filled up at school and play rehearsals was one way of doing this. Given the amount of time Third Remove had spent on their play, it strikes me as just possible that Elaine might have Marie's lines memorised enough to keep things going.

I completely agree with the joint writing thing. I just can't imagine how that works at all. Do you imagine that the Gondals were written down? In my mind, they just sit around telling the story, each taking turns to do 'their bit'.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

Of course, owing to the somewhat Miss Keithish idea that my headmistress, Big O, had, to the effect that gels doing exams shouldn't have distractions you were only eligible for school plays as an actor in Lower Sixth and Fourth forms (and, exceptionally, 1st or 2nd forms when they needed a Moth or Mustardseed) so I expect part of the problem was that there was only the same limited pool of actors to choose from and our year wasn't very good at acting.

Fortunately Art Club got to do sets, backstage and noises off irrespective of our ages or exam commitments - my finest hour was being exploding tomato cans in Thornton Wilder's The Matchmaker.

[rosathome.livejournal.com]

Oh, ours was much more of the Crommie school of thought that one ought to be able to take exams in one's stride without any fuss. I was definitely in a school performance of Blithe Spirit when I was in Upper VI. The backstage crew had lots of fun with that one. And, actually we had lots of fun with it too - not least because we had been allowed to 'borrow' two boys for the male parts from the local boys' school.

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

Do you imagine that the Gondals were written down?

I imagine they spend about four hours each day (and an awful lot of roast potatoes and chestnuts) planning out what's going to happen (probably involving either paper or a blackboard), an hour of so for people to prepare for the planned scene and two hours or so improvising it, with a great deal of interruptions and "Lal! You can't possibly" sort of interjections, and quite possibly Gin and Patrick going all Agatha and Frederick and rehearsing indefatigably in dark corners shoved in throughout.

[colne-dsr.livejournal.com]

Funny, because I've always imagined quite the opposite. Ie. that it was done "live", as it were, and tidied up by AF to cut out all the "he said, she said" bits that would distract.

(Exactly like Ransome's 'Peter Duck', if you've ever seen the first few draft chapters. It had to jump back between the boat on the Broads (real life, where the children were inventing the story) and the South Seas (where the story was set). He abandoned that idea, and if AF ever tried that way of doing it, she clearly abandoned it too.)

[legionseagle.livejournal.com]

The only unfinished one I've seen is that rather promising one where the Death and Glories hide on board a launch which is being trucked from the boatyard to the Lakes and arrive in the middle of a sea-battle between the Swallows and the Amazons and think it's all rather childish and silly. I'd have liked to see where he went with that one.