Readthrough: Cricket Term chapters 1-3
Jan. 16th, 2015 02:41 pmWelcome to the readthrough of Cricket Term, and many thanks to
lilliburlero both for running this whole thing and giving me the chance to write about this book. It was the first Antonia Forest I ever read, found in a jumble sale when I was about ten, and I loved it immediately. At the Forest memorial day, I think Hilary Clare suggested that there may be too many references to books beforehand, but I remember liking that sense of jumping into the middle of life and story. And in many ways I think it’s one of the most joyous of Forest’s books.
First published 1974.
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Chapter 1: Home—
Prone across her unmade bed…’ Lawrie being herself and plunging us straight back into the story; Ann’s character established instantly and Nicola’s despising of it. As noted a few paragraphs later, it's eight days since the end of Ready-Made Family, but Lawrie has not forgotten or forgiven over the Idiot Boy. Interesting that Peter is feeling guilty enough to give her a transistor radio. ‘Swops or vengeance’ – the Marlow rules around such things emerge in patches. I wonder what Lawrie’s vengeances have been so far?
And now Ramage and The Mask of Apollo. I am sure I’m not the only person here who started reading Mary Renault entirely because of this reference, and this remains a favourite. Coincidentally they are starting a readthrough of it today over at renaultx. One obvious shared theme is the power of the theatre - other thoughts? I'm also looking forward to discussing Nicola's responses to it when she talks to Cromwell.
On Lawrie’s desire to play Caliban not Ariel, while she is very annoying about it, I do think part of the problem here is caused by Kempe. Surely it’s actually a bit silly of her to cast Lawrie without any audition, especially when the songs are important to the part? (I remain unconvinced that any of the suggested solutions to getting Nicola on and off to sing would really work.) I also wonder if Lawrie would have taken more to the part if it hadn’t been guaranteed to her so she’d had to think about how she would audition for it.
Ginty and Patrick still going on in the background and Nicola resolutely turning her mind away from it.
Nicola running across ‘the wild bit’ of the garden – if Mrs Marlow is letting it run wilder, I wonder who was doing the gardening before? I can’t quite see Jon having time for it.
As indicated at the end of RMF, Dodds and Marlows have definitely had enough of one another for the moment.
‘They were dead lucky not to be found under the leaves like that other child’ (Rowan). So it seems that Uncle Gerry probably has been charged with the ‘something up north’ he was wanted for.
I do love Nicola’s internal monologues. ‘prob, it’d just be Kay in a mad wifely rush’. And am amused that family life has enable to her to reply ‘palimpsest’ immediately when Chas demands a word. Kay and Rose cooking together does indeed seem highly domestic. And it’s a relief to hear Kay speaking cheerfully. ‘So unenterprising. And so sweet-- ‘ does sound like her.
Orange-juice-and-cream – anyone like it? I tried it once after reading this and wasn’t very taken.
‘if Mr Tranter ever comes out of hospital’ sounds almost as though they might give the house up if he did. Wonder what if anything Geoff Marlow has had to say about it all yet. Nicola clearly spent enough time at the farmhouse to remember what the photos were, and Kay’s response to her sadness is a bit wilful misunderstanding. Nicola, rightly, hasn’t forgotten how things were, though.
Another clue to Karen’s state of mind in giving up her degree, since archaeology mostly isn’t ‘choice bits of ancient Greek statuary’?
Brother is a very charged word.
Rose seems to be getting on all right with Karen, but would still rather trust Nicola’s word over the school. They had better hope the line to Colebridge isn’t cut after all, if they’re depending on it for school trains. Karen once again making what she wants happen. I am still left confused as to why this is what she wants, but she was one of the siblings who was happy to be staying on at Trennels after Jon died, I think. I enjoy Nicola dropping her in it over the Last Dinner.
Chapter Two ‘Interval'
The letter from Edwin about Nicholas Marlow - Players Boy and Players and the Rebels were published in 1970 and 1971, between RMF and Cricket Term. It was years after I read Cricket Term that I finally got hold of them and was able to read Nicholas’s story, but like Nicola I always wanted to know. I like the way Forest doesn't give too many details, and interjects Nicola’s reactions into the story, and the pure joy of discovering Ark Royal. Even the realisation that she can’t share it with Patrick doesn’t damp her reactions.
Though emotion, even happy emotion, must still be clamped down in the presence of others. I like Rowan’s apology for interrupting.
Rowan’s advice sets up the situation with Lois Sanger, the ancient enemy. And her cricketing comments are very sound – I may have commented that fielding ‘needn’t be beneath Lower IV.A’ when following England on occasion. Nicola has the sense to take her advice, despite wanting a Wimsey-style late cut. (Btw, if anyone is looking for some explanations of cricket terms, Simon Hughes has quite a helpful list here and there's a guide to fielding positions on the BBC website here - mid on is just the equivalent of mid off on the opposite side of the field.)
More set-up with the references to Wimsey and Tallboys in Murder Must Advertise.
‘Fifty against the Australians. Every time.’ Me too. Though these days it would have to be a century.
Finally getting ready to leave for school, and one of the occasional similarities between Ann and Ginty comes out. Lawrie is merely concerned that no one – her mother? Rowan? Mrs Bertie? – uses her radio while she’s gone. And a lovely, typically Forest chapter ending.
Chapter 3 —And Away
Esther and Daks reunited. A reminder of how much their friendship depends on Nicola’s admiration of Esther’s looks.
Ginty being annoying, and a flashback to what she and Patrick have been doing these holidays, using Shakespeare. ‘Still webbed in thoughts of Patrick’ – gorgeous phrase, and then the shift to term-time Ginty, which she only half-recognises going on in herself. Ann is unexpectedly (to Nicola) perceptive about this, and then immediately they are rubbing each other up the wrong way again. There are quite a few times when Nicola's opinion of Ann ought to get a bit more permanently jolted, I think, but family likings are not to be commanded.
Tim Keith put out over her lost day and Lawrie’s bleeping about Caliban – which since Tim’s mentioned it to Me Auntie suggests long letters about the unfairness of life arriving from Lawrie during the holidays. And for once Nicola gets the chance to crush Tim in conversation. Tim is looking to be a bit left out this term, what with The Play and cricket being the main things on offer. Nicola and Tim’s relationship seems to have settled down into something that’s not quite friendship but a more comfortable neutrality.
Lawrie glooming before the Play List – such a characteristic image.
Miranda – unlike Ginty – taking a while to become her school self, and as always I’m charmed by the fire escape and the roof, a world away from everyone else. Miranda’s curiosity always part of her, this time about Marie Dobson, and about Karen’s wedding, which Nicola does feel able to satisfy. I wonder what she left out of the edited account? Edwin hitting Peter? Exactly what might have happened in Oxford?
By the end of these three chapters Forest has managed to get in pretty much all the backstory we need to understand what happens later – Lois, Marie, the Christmas Play, the netball match… Not all the details, which would be implausible, but very realistic conversations about recent events.
Nicola rather enjoys her grime sheet, and Miranda thinks Crommie should be too grown up to care about the Form Shield –reminding Nicola of the conversation with her mother in RMF, which clearly did make an impression.
And Jan Scott introduced, leading into Miranda’s interpretation of the Tempest – which I don’t feel expert enough to comment on, tbh, but hope others may have things to say about it, in this and later chapters. And how suitable is it as a school play?
The image of Jan as a small boy in a green jerkin, and Miranda’s fidelity, which is quite moving, even though her last sentence reminds us how much she makes – or thinks she makes – conscious decisions about where to bestow her affections.
Looking forward to seeing what everyone has to say!
First published 1974.
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Chapter 1: Home—
Prone across her unmade bed…’ Lawrie being herself and plunging us straight back into the story; Ann’s character established instantly and Nicola’s despising of it. As noted a few paragraphs later, it's eight days since the end of Ready-Made Family, but Lawrie has not forgotten or forgiven over the Idiot Boy. Interesting that Peter is feeling guilty enough to give her a transistor radio. ‘Swops or vengeance’ – the Marlow rules around such things emerge in patches. I wonder what Lawrie’s vengeances have been so far?
And now Ramage and The Mask of Apollo. I am sure I’m not the only person here who started reading Mary Renault entirely because of this reference, and this remains a favourite. Coincidentally they are starting a readthrough of it today over at renaultx. One obvious shared theme is the power of the theatre - other thoughts? I'm also looking forward to discussing Nicola's responses to it when she talks to Cromwell.
On Lawrie’s desire to play Caliban not Ariel, while she is very annoying about it, I do think part of the problem here is caused by Kempe. Surely it’s actually a bit silly of her to cast Lawrie without any audition, especially when the songs are important to the part? (I remain unconvinced that any of the suggested solutions to getting Nicola on and off to sing would really work.) I also wonder if Lawrie would have taken more to the part if it hadn’t been guaranteed to her so she’d had to think about how she would audition for it.
Ginty and Patrick still going on in the background and Nicola resolutely turning her mind away from it.
Nicola running across ‘the wild bit’ of the garden – if Mrs Marlow is letting it run wilder, I wonder who was doing the gardening before? I can’t quite see Jon having time for it.
As indicated at the end of RMF, Dodds and Marlows have definitely had enough of one another for the moment.
‘They were dead lucky not to be found under the leaves like that other child’ (Rowan). So it seems that Uncle Gerry probably has been charged with the ‘something up north’ he was wanted for.
I do love Nicola’s internal monologues. ‘prob, it’d just be Kay in a mad wifely rush’. And am amused that family life has enable to her to reply ‘palimpsest’ immediately when Chas demands a word. Kay and Rose cooking together does indeed seem highly domestic. And it’s a relief to hear Kay speaking cheerfully. ‘So unenterprising. And so sweet-- ‘ does sound like her.
Orange-juice-and-cream – anyone like it? I tried it once after reading this and wasn’t very taken.
‘if Mr Tranter ever comes out of hospital’ sounds almost as though they might give the house up if he did. Wonder what if anything Geoff Marlow has had to say about it all yet. Nicola clearly spent enough time at the farmhouse to remember what the photos were, and Kay’s response to her sadness is a bit wilful misunderstanding. Nicola, rightly, hasn’t forgotten how things were, though.
Another clue to Karen’s state of mind in giving up her degree, since archaeology mostly isn’t ‘choice bits of ancient Greek statuary’?
Brother is a very charged word.
Rose seems to be getting on all right with Karen, but would still rather trust Nicola’s word over the school. They had better hope the line to Colebridge isn’t cut after all, if they’re depending on it for school trains. Karen once again making what she wants happen. I am still left confused as to why this is what she wants, but she was one of the siblings who was happy to be staying on at Trennels after Jon died, I think. I enjoy Nicola dropping her in it over the Last Dinner.
Chapter Two ‘Interval'
The letter from Edwin about Nicholas Marlow - Players Boy and Players and the Rebels were published in 1970 and 1971, between RMF and Cricket Term. It was years after I read Cricket Term that I finally got hold of them and was able to read Nicholas’s story, but like Nicola I always wanted to know. I like the way Forest doesn't give too many details, and interjects Nicola’s reactions into the story, and the pure joy of discovering Ark Royal. Even the realisation that she can’t share it with Patrick doesn’t damp her reactions.
Though emotion, even happy emotion, must still be clamped down in the presence of others. I like Rowan’s apology for interrupting.
Rowan’s advice sets up the situation with Lois Sanger, the ancient enemy. And her cricketing comments are very sound – I may have commented that fielding ‘needn’t be beneath Lower IV.A’ when following England on occasion. Nicola has the sense to take her advice, despite wanting a Wimsey-style late cut. (Btw, if anyone is looking for some explanations of cricket terms, Simon Hughes has quite a helpful list here and there's a guide to fielding positions on the BBC website here - mid on is just the equivalent of mid off on the opposite side of the field.)
More set-up with the references to Wimsey and Tallboys in Murder Must Advertise.
‘Fifty against the Australians. Every time.’ Me too. Though these days it would have to be a century.
Finally getting ready to leave for school, and one of the occasional similarities between Ann and Ginty comes out. Lawrie is merely concerned that no one – her mother? Rowan? Mrs Bertie? – uses her radio while she’s gone. And a lovely, typically Forest chapter ending.
Esther and Daks reunited. A reminder of how much their friendship depends on Nicola’s admiration of Esther’s looks.
Ginty being annoying, and a flashback to what she and Patrick have been doing these holidays, using Shakespeare. ‘Still webbed in thoughts of Patrick’ – gorgeous phrase, and then the shift to term-time Ginty, which she only half-recognises going on in herself. Ann is unexpectedly (to Nicola) perceptive about this, and then immediately they are rubbing each other up the wrong way again. There are quite a few times when Nicola's opinion of Ann ought to get a bit more permanently jolted, I think, but family likings are not to be commanded.
Tim Keith put out over her lost day and Lawrie’s bleeping about Caliban – which since Tim’s mentioned it to Me Auntie suggests long letters about the unfairness of life arriving from Lawrie during the holidays. And for once Nicola gets the chance to crush Tim in conversation. Tim is looking to be a bit left out this term, what with The Play and cricket being the main things on offer. Nicola and Tim’s relationship seems to have settled down into something that’s not quite friendship but a more comfortable neutrality.
Lawrie glooming before the Play List – such a characteristic image.
Miranda – unlike Ginty – taking a while to become her school self, and as always I’m charmed by the fire escape and the roof, a world away from everyone else. Miranda’s curiosity always part of her, this time about Marie Dobson, and about Karen’s wedding, which Nicola does feel able to satisfy. I wonder what she left out of the edited account? Edwin hitting Peter? Exactly what might have happened in Oxford?
By the end of these three chapters Forest has managed to get in pretty much all the backstory we need to understand what happens later – Lois, Marie, the Christmas Play, the netball match… Not all the details, which would be implausible, but very realistic conversations about recent events.
Nicola rather enjoys her grime sheet, and Miranda thinks Crommie should be too grown up to care about the Form Shield –reminding Nicola of the conversation with her mother in RMF, which clearly did make an impression.
And Jan Scott introduced, leading into Miranda’s interpretation of the Tempest – which I don’t feel expert enough to comment on, tbh, but hope others may have things to say about it, in this and later chapters. And how suitable is it as a school play?
The image of Jan as a small boy in a green jerkin, and Miranda’s fidelity, which is quite moving, even though her last sentence reminds us how much she makes – or thinks she makes – conscious decisions about where to bestow her affections.
Looking forward to seeing what everyone has to say!
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Date: 2015-01-16 03:20 pm (UTC)Cricket Term is perhaps my favourite, and certainly most re-read, Forest - so much the most "summery" of the school books, or "joyous" as you say. Or to put it another way, Nicola isn't being constantly shamed and humiliated as with the earlier school books.
I also think that CT draw a lot of strength from the way it wraps up so many longstanding story lines in generally very satisfying ways. Even in these first chapters, we are seeing the "conclusion" in a sense of RMF and the Player books. I think there's a shift though in that earlier books - eg Thuggery - seemed to very carefully introduce the back story (in Thuggery's case, through Lawrie's imagined newspaper story) whereas CT seems to basically assume that the reader will have read the earlier books, and certainly isn't going out of its way to explain anything. Which is fine with me.
Some other things that strike me: I think the passage with Karen does make me feel even more that Edwin, in a way, has been the victim in RMF, despite appearances at the start of the book. That Karen is and has been the one to call the shots. And what I really don't get, far more than the fact that she married Edwin in the first place (because lurve is always a bit inexplicable, right? and anyway he's got his good sides it turns out) is that she wants to settle in Westbridge/Trennels permanently. I mean who are they going to socialise with? I can't see them fitting in with the hunting/fishing/gentry types, nor Karen with village mums: sounds a very peculiar thing to do. After all, she's not even speaking to Rowan.
And Nicola's conversation with Tim intrigues me - is Tim seriously asking Nicola to be her best friend? What on earth would Lawrie (or Miranda) feel about that? Is she joking or just being treacherous and now bored-with-Lawrie? (Tim is generally a lot less cruel in CT than in previous books though - which again I think contributes to the much more cheerful tone of the whole thing.)
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Date: 2015-01-16 07:56 pm (UTC)*But you still don't hit people with riding crops. Not in the face, and not outside the bedroom, anyway.
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Date: 2015-01-17 12:15 am (UTC)And it reminds me how that the suppression of emotion is a thing Nicola's learnt from being around people like Tim, as well as from her family.
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Date: 2015-01-18 07:19 am (UTC)I tried it too, also following reading Cricket Term. I quite liked it. (I realise this must be true, because over the past 40 years I have experimented with different proportions and different types of cream. In case anyone is interested, I'll pass on that to my taste it is least successful with clotted cream!)
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Date: 2015-01-16 04:11 pm (UTC)And what is Jelly Soup? The mind boggles.
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Date: 2015-01-16 10:09 pm (UTC)50 Against the Australians
Date: 2015-01-16 05:43 pm (UTC)I absolutely love the cricket and I'm glad it's introduced so early.
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Date: 2015-01-16 08:55 pm (UTC)I love that Nicola is so clear about wanting to win, and that Rowan takes her completely seriously and offers genuinely useful advice.
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Date: 2015-01-18 09:12 pm (UTC)Feeling rather embarrassed now...shall definitely have to follow coughingbears helful links and "run and find out".
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Date: 2015-01-16 08:57 pm (UTC)withdrawal symptoms ...
Date: 2015-01-17 06:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-01-16 10:04 pm (UTC)--the verse, though not Shakespeare's gnarliest, is no cakewalk;
--there are quite a lot of set-pieces which, whatever level of stylisation you're going for, require quite a precise level of choreography. If you're trying any pyrotechnics for the tempest, the Barmecide banquet and Ariel's appearance as harpy or the masque you're leaving technical hostages to fortune too.
--characterisation of all the main characters is very much open to actors' and directors' interpretations (and nothing I see of Kempe suggests much talent in that line: she saw both Lawrie and Nicola play the Shepherd Boy and it comes as news to her that their stage presences are different? God save us!);
--one of its central themes is ageing and the waning of power (something I doubt an eighteen-year-old, even if she is Jan Scott, is really going to both understand and be able to communicate);
---as Miranda (a pretty astute critic) notes, the resolution is ambiguous and deliberately anti-climactic.
And don't even get me started on the lunacy of the auditions procedure...
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Date: 2015-01-17 12:29 am (UTC)On Lawrie playing Ariel, I wonder if Kempe is just desperate to do The Tempest, and then looks for how to use Lawrie in it. From the description of the other auditions, it doesn't sound as though she has a clear idea of the rest of the casting.
And on the lunacy of the auditions procedure, do you mean getting so many of them to learn the full parts? It does seem rather a lot to expect. Unless some of them were doing it for A-level, I suppose, though there's no mention of that.
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Date: 2015-01-17 12:31 pm (UTC)Getting Kempe to direct within the restrictions imposed by Keith, however...
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Date: 2015-01-17 12:16 am (UTC)1981 in English cricket
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Date: 2015-01-17 09:51 am (UTC)AF is not really a fan of extended families, is she? In Peter's Room we saw Patrick afflicted by dreadful aunts. It is hinted that Auntie Molly is a sour person, having missed the chance to get married herself. Miranda grumbles about 'hordes of aunts'. No one except the Marlows ever seems to have a close and friendly brother or sister.
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Date: 2015-01-18 09:19 pm (UTC)I think it's maybe an aversion to a kind of formal grown-up entertaining that goes on, where children are wheeled out for display, in afternoon tea frocks etc, and the adults all come out with rather repressive, stuffy and irritating-to-teenagers comments.
I also think Forest is not keen on leisured upper class women full stop - the group to which the aunts, presumably, mostly belong. I mean, never mind extended family, her mothers (honourable exception: Mrs Marlow) of this class are invariably ghastly too.
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Date: 2015-01-18 02:58 pm (UTC)Having read CT for years and never before RMF, this opening chapter was so much more enlightening than in years gone by. I always wondered exactly who that other girl under the bush had been and what that had to do with Nick and Rose? And what had happened with The Idiot Boy? And how had they met anyway, and how had Karen gotten married in the 3 months since EOT?! Now that I know these children I am enchanted by Fob’s surliness, palimpsest and Chas’ thesaurus, and Rose and Karen cooking together. I’m fed up with Lawrie’s cries for Caliban and Ann doing too much for everyone.
Have not read either Ramage or Mask of Apollo. Appreciate the conversation between her and Ann about the Limited label on the book. And later with Crommie. Also appreciate Nick’s open willingness to ignore “it’s just a rule” in order to finish her books.
Nick’s whoop in the pasture as she learns about the ARK ROYAL is one of my favorite moments in these books. I have always wanted a seafaring ancestor, and appreciate her joy in discovering one. Also love the cricket conversation with N and Rowan just afterwards. All these moments between N and R give much insight into who Rowan is. Pretty much the only insights we get. The more I learn about Rowan, the more I like her.
Regarding cricket I did go on to read the Wimsey books as a result of this book. Who was this Mr.Tallboy? What had he done? Thank you very much for the links to cricket terms. As a result of reading CT and Murder Must Advertise, I was able to hold my own at a dinner party (in America) once, in which two of the attendees were British, the others American. A conversation about baseball evolved into one about cricket, and I was the only person able to participate intelligently. So intelligently the Brits asked where I’d played cricket. Thank you AF and DSL.
Having only read AT, EOT, and CT, I didn’t really mind Ginty too much, as she is sort of a peripheral character in those books. Now that I know her whole story, I’m not at all impressed.
Love the roof tradition, and its role later in the book. Have always wondered up until now, exactly what Nick did say about K getting married, having no information on it either. I do wonder whatever made AF decide that K wasn’t Oxford material and really needed some children right away.
I would like to see a fic about Miranda at home, differentiating the relationships she has with her mother and father, how she feels about all of her “activities’, and how she feels about returning to school. She seems very self-assured, but seems also to really need Nick as a friend—perhaps she is lonely at home. Loved the Yuletide fic about Miranda and Nick after Kingscote.
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Date: 2015-01-20 03:32 pm (UTC)I like imagining Miranda's holiday, compared to Nick's. It's early 1970s, and her mother takes her to a 'a kibbutz in Palestine' - anyone have any thoughts on this? I remember her also being busy with refugee committees (which refugees?) in another book. It always sounds as if Miranda's parents are effectively separated.
And I'm puzzled by the age of small Miranda and Jan in her jerkin. If lower III is 11, are the Seconds 9-10, and the 'junior side' the under 8s? I suppose Miranda wasn't boarding then, though, since it was (cough) the war and they'd been evacuated there. Impressive lot of reciting, however old Jan was.
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