Finding Antonia

[elizahonig.livejournal.com]

DandyinChina mentioned, on a thread over at *Esther's Term,* final chapter, that A. Forest is completely obscure in Germany but a friend whose literary tastes she liked had recommended her. I wondered how everyone else found Antonia, who isn't blazingly famous (as she deserves to be) even in the English-speaking world. Certainly I have never met a single American who has read her works, except people to whom I recommended them.

Here's my story. I was in London in 1971, aged 12, with my parents. They deposited me at Foyles for, as I recall, several hours, while they did other business in town. They said that I could choose five books. I had a long time to consider, and chose Ruth Arthur's *A Candle in her Room,* Brian Fairfax-Lucy and Philippa Peirce's *The Children of the House,* Norah Lofts's *The Story of Maude Reede*, and Antonia Forest's *End of Term*. (I'm forgetting the fifth, but it was good too.) There was a list in the Forest book of all her other works, and over the following years my father would order them from Foyles as my Christmas presents. I found the last ones when I was travelling in England myself, some years later. Now I have a complete set in America (including *Thursday Kidnapping* and the Elizabethan books) and about 1/2 of another set at my Amsterdam apartment, just in case I need a fix while I'm there.

I am proud to have once introduced a scholarly art history article (published in French, Flemish, and English) with a quotation from *Autumn Term,* the one where Tim compares her father and Mrs. Todd as a person who paints vs. a merely "artistic" person. That's why I was so pleased to see him "live" in *Esther's Term.*

Any other stories? Or was Antonia Forest a quite obvious choice for everybody else?

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[ex-ajhalluk585.livejournal.com]

Well, for me (and I love the idea you've also read A Candle In Her Room - I was a huge Ruth M. Arthur fan) it was school: Falconer's Lure was in the 12-and-unders section. Once hooked, I looked at the city library and picked up The Players' Boy (which was great because I had already read Trease's Cue For Treason so Shakespeare as a character was a familiar concept) and The Players and the Rebels (which I have a hideous suspicion I relied on for an Oxford entrance question where I was a bit light on your actual facts, so I was chucking in every snippet of background I could think of to make myself look bright, from Sellar and Yeatman to Machiavelli - or, as Lieutenant Foley so devastatingly put it; making a pint of knowledge fill a hogshead of ignorance)and Autumn Term and End of Term and Peter's Room; then I smashed my ankle in a riding accident at 13 and fetched up on a sofa for six weeks, during which I read anything I could get my paws on, including The Cricket Term which had just been published - my stamp was the first on the library form inside the pristine front cover, something which I'm sure Nicola would have appreciated. Anyway, I not only took to cricket on the strength of it (I'd not understood the scoring before) but I read anything Nicola was depicted as willingly reading in the text - Mary Renault, Hornblower, Thackeray etc all complete and demanded every single book we could get hold of which Forest had written or was writing as birthday or Christmas (I only read The Thursday Kidnapping once, a library borrowing)

[ankaret.livejournal.com]

I still don't understand the scoring despite The Cricket Term and Murder Must Advertise.

I honestly can't remember a time when I hadn't read at least Autumn Term - I know it must have been before the age of ten or eleven, because I pirated the name Audrey Fudge for a story I wrote that year.

[ex-ajhalluk585.livejournal.com]

Well, look, if it helps keep your mind off things, it goes like this:

The wickets are 22 yards apart. The 22 yards is however measured from the crease, which is a line drawn some distance in front of the wicket at each end. A batsman has to have his foot on or behind the crease to be "in" when the wicket is broken. If the wicket is broken (that is, if the bails are lifted - and at least one falls to the ground, irrespective of the positioning of the stumps) when a batsman is "out of his ground" (foot or other part of the body not on or behind the crease) then the batsman is out. Mr Tallboys and Nicola both "break" the relevant wicket by throwing the ball at it from some distance out in the field, before the batsman can make his or her ground.

The more conventional cricketing move would be to throw to the wicket-keeper who should have moved to stand behind the wicket, leaving the wicket-keeper to sweep the bails off with the ball in his/her gloves, thus breaking the wicket. However, both Mr Tallboys and Nicola choose the riskier move, by throwing dead at the wicket to save time.

A run is scored when the two batsmen have passed, and each made their ground at each end (without the wicket being broken). In a run-out, the person out is the person running to the broken wicket after the cross, or the person behind whom the wicket is broken if they have not crossed (so it can and often is the other batsman's fault if he spots an incipient run-out and either presses on to cross or (usually) dodges back).

One can be out bowled (wicket broken behind one by the ball passing one's bat and person and breaking the wicket - sometimes deflected on by bat or person - as in "he padded up to that and played on"), caught (ball having touched bat or forearm holding bat is caught before touching the ground), leg before wicket (too complicated to explain here - would have been bowled had you not put leg in way), run out (as explained; wicket broken while out of ground), stumped (wicket broken behind one while out of ground too far forward), hit ball twice (self-explanatory), deliberately obstructing the field (ditto), timed out (too long getting to field of play), handled ball (another obscure one) and one other I can't remember at the moment.

There can only be ten people out before the whole team is out, because one always has to have two batsmen on the field at any one time. So - 10-0 means ten runs, no-one out. 40-1 means forty runs, one wicket. 42-3 means 42 runs, three wickets down. So 250-1 is brilliant; 250-9 is dire. So that's why in The Cricket Term the fact that Nicola and Lawrie have that opening stand really matters.

[ankaret.livejournal.com]

Ah. And why it's a minor disaster that Ginty gets dollied out, her presumably being more athletic than the stolid likes of Emma. Thank you.

I am now going to see whether a description of how to play cricket whilst travelling by reading from some printed material and having each letter mean a certain thing, that I've got in an old Eagle Annual of my Dad's, makes any more sense than it did.

On subject of knowing other people who read AF, I actually ended up sharing a bathroom at university with another girl who had. We used to wander round Clifton asking each other questions about the Marlowverse. Unfortunately it all fell over a bit due to a squabble about second-year housing, but I still wonder if I'm ever going to run into her again through AF fandom...

[beth213.livejournal.com]

hit wicket...
(your own, that is. Can be actually hit with bat or trodden on - equally embarrassing!)

Ruth M. Arthur, Candle in Her Room

[elizahonig.livejournal.com]

Just had to add the story behind *that* book. On this same trip to England I was completely engrossed in it. We were driving northward to Scotland and my father didn't want me reading in the car, but I'd keep the book hidden in my lap and pretend to be admiring the scenery while actually reading it. As we were driving someplace in Yorkshire, my father cottoned on to what I was doing. Without taking his eyes from the road he reached back, grabbed the book from my lap, and threw it out the car window. "I brought you to England to look at the countryside and god damn it, you're going to look at the countryside!" I was completely shattered. It was years before I managed to find another copy of that book, but the story is legend in my family.

[pisica.livejournal.com]

I was a teenaged Anglophile, and because of making a friend who moved from Yorkshire to my town in the states aged twelve or so, I read some British books that I otherwise wouldn't have encountered until I came over as an adult - the Malory Towers series and some Arthur Ransome are the main ones I remember. Oh, and Adrian Mole - I tasted Lucozade solely because of him!

I somehow ended up with a copy of End of Term (Faber reprint) - not sure when, but my list of books I've read goes back to 1993 and it isn't on there, so I must have read it before that. I first came to the UK in 1990, so it's possible that I bought it over here, or that it had simply been randomly available at a book sale in the states. But it didn't seem to inspire me to track down anything else by her, as I never read any other Forests until last week. glitterboy1 used the first sentence of Autumn Term in a quiz, and I'd already decided that having plowed through about 45 of the Chalets I'd take a break, and I have access to all the Forests (though not lending copies, sadly), so I'm partway through the second book.

[coughingbear]

I loved school stories, particularly the Chalet School, and used to get a lot of them from the second-hand books at local jumble sales. Cricket Term in the Puffin edition was on one of those stalls, and it looked like my kind of book, so I bought it, and read it, and then immediately read it again. I was completely hooked. The style, the characters, the hints at previous stories, the cricket match, Nicola being a Thackeray person not Dickens, the references to Murder Must Advertise (which I had read) and other authors that I hadn't, but immediately wanted to seek out.

Then set out to collect the other Forests, which was easyish with the ones Puffin had published, and difficult with the others, though the two Players books were in our local library. I think I was the only person who borrowed them for years. Thursday Kidnapping I didn't read until a few years ago, though I have my own copy now.

I didn't know anyone else who'd read her until I got online and discovered the Girlsown list. I'd recommended her to a few people, but I only knew one other person who admitted to reading anything labelled as a 'school story' and my proselytising was unsuccessful.

[the_antichris.livejournal.com]

I was nine or so, and I loved the Chalet School, so when I came across Autumn Term and End of Term in the library in the small town where my grandma lived, I grabbed them, adored them and promptly forgot the titles, the author and anything about them except the knife with sixteen blades and the Christmas Play. And of course no other NZ library had them on display (I'm still surprised they were in the Pukekohe library), so for ten years I mourned my lovely, lost school series. Then someone caught me reading Farm School books at uni; I was embarrassed until he asked if I'd read Antonia Forest; I said I didn't think so; he lent me Autumn Term and GLEE.

[senji.livejournal.com]

I blame ankaret :-)

I've only read Autumn Term so far though — that being all that Cambridge County Library have.

[minniemoll.livejournal.com]

I don't remember reading them for the first time, or which one I read first. The local libraries had a full set (I think) between them - during term time I'd read the ones the library up the road had, during school holidays I'd cycle round the rest trying to get hold of the others (this was during the early 1980s). I had the Puffin pbs of the school stories, I think that Cricket Term was the only one I bought new, which is ironic as that was the one which fell to pieces (I've had several copies that did that, it must have been the glue).

The libraries had very few other school stories*, so AF must have been held in high regard.

*with the exception of the central library, which had loads of hb Chalets, which were catalogued as 'shelved in basement' but in reality lived, in a slightly shameful way, on a trolley next to the issue desk, in a sort of limbo - not shelved with the real books, but very popular....

[(Anonymous)]

I first came across her in one of those anthologies of school stories, when I was about 10. It's only more recently that I've realised how strange it was that her writing was included in an anthology published around 1990. The "story" was the first chapter of Autumn Term, which impressed me enough to seek out the rest of the book. The school library only had Autumn Term and The Cricket Term, and like everyone else they inspired me to try Mary Renault and Thackeray and Stevenson's Master of Ballantrae.

Rather uncommonly, my local library (in NZ) had all the Antonia Forest books, including the Elizabethan ones, and I regularly got them out. Probably I was the only one though, because last time I checked they'd been moved to the stacks. Maybe they've been sold off, now.

[elizahonig.livejournal.com]

Yes, I recently came across that anthology and was struck by the inclusion of *Autumn Term.* It's the first item in the book and the only one that's a chapter rather than a short story. The editor clearly just couldn't bear to leave her out of a collection of school fiction. There are a couple of other cute stories in that book but of course nothing of Forest's literary quality....
I don't even remember the Marlows reading Mary Renault. I do remember the Thackeray. I memorized all the poems Lawrie (and Patrick) recited and read whichever Jane Austin novel Nicola claims she's not too young for--wasn't it *Persuasion*? I must already have been deeply into Sayers by the time I got to *Ready-Made Family* because I remember appreciating the reference. Do children's books ever have adult literary references any more? I've got a reference to Shaw in mine but wonder if anyone will get it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't actually remember anything at all about the other stories, except that by and large they were far more recent. I don't remember anything at all about the anthology, in fact, except for Antonia Forest, but in spite of that I can't count it a complete waste.
Mary Renault's "Mask of Apollo" features prominently in The Cricket Term; it's the "limited" book that Nicola smuggles back to school and gets in trouble for, which naturally made me go and seek it out immediately. Its shockingness went over my head, unfortunately. Or possibly it's no longer considered especially shocking.
And I don't know how much children's books really did have adult literary references. I have the impression that it was very much one of Forest's signatures, that she could have well-read characters and didn't need to dumb things down for the reader.

[ankaret.livejournal.com]

Oh, what a shame! I was hoping that there was an AF short story out there.

[forester48.livejournal.com]

Falconer's Lure was the first one I read when I was about nine or so and I must have read and re-read the first few ones from the library because I didn't own any until I was in my twenties. I remember starting to collect them as an adult and it not being easy even in the 70s.

Shameful memory - I could not get hold of a copy of Ready Made Family so I borrowed a copy from the local library and then pretended to lose it. Worst of all they would not take more than a nominal fine although I pleaded with them to let me pay the full cost of the book.

Until I went on the web and found other fans I really did think I was one of a tiny minority of readers. I've never met anyone who's ever heard of Antonia Forest let alone read her books. I could never understand why they weren't more critically acclaimed and popular.

[(Anonymous)]

My parents bought me the first three school books one Christmas, and my local library had all the non-school books except Thursday Kidnapping (which I have still never read) and Run Away Home which I didn't know existed. Then when I was 13 (this was in 1985)we moved to another part of the country and I had to start a new school which I initially HATED. I loathed the place and felt utterly homesick the first three weeks and then I discovered Run Away Home in the school library. I had it out permanently from then on and swear it got me through the first horrible weeks of starting a new school ....

[(Anonymous)]

I read Autumn Term, and then the other puffin ones in the early 1980s.
And luckily my (old & dusty) school library had (old and dusty) hardbacks of most of the 'home' stories.

I couldn't afford to buy Marlows & the Traitor recently (I didn't get it when GGBP re-issued it) so I ended up buying a wonderfully cheap version of it in German from Abebooks and being very impressed with myself that I could actually follow it after having not read German for years. It helped that some of the passages were so familiar.

It seems that Traitor was printed twice in German, with different titles, but I've never come across one of the other titles.

[elizahonig.livejournal.com]

Amazing! The Marlows and the Traitor in German! Where can I get a copy of that?? What's the title in German? Have any of the other books been translated?

[(Anonymous)]

"Notsignal vom Leuchtturm" and "Die Marlows und der Verrater" (Verrater with an umlaut).

I got mine via www.abebooks.co.uk (from a German bookseller who posted worldwide). Ive never found another of the books in translation & I do have a good trawl through abebooks every now and again.

The names have been changed to Nicola, Laura and Jenny, which is a bit disconcerting, and they seem to have missed out the chapter(s) with Anquetil knocking out one of his crew while heading back out on his boat - its years since I read the English version, but I do remember that bit, and theres definitely a chunk missing. Everything else is just as I remembered though.

[(Anonymous)]

Ive just noticed there is a "Spionage voor de kust" by Antonia Forest on abebooks.de, if anyone wants to improve their Dutch...

(sorry I really am Anonymous btw, I dont have a Livejournal but Ive been lurking here a while)

*Mei

[nineveh-uk.livejournal.com]

Read Autumn Term aged 10 and vastly disliked it. Re-introduced to Forest a couple of years ago by a fellow Children’s Lit. fan, I discovered that I really like the other books, but am still not sold on Autumn Term. If only I had read a different one first – for one thing, I’d have discovered Renault and Sayers much sooner, too.