[identity profile] theladymoppet.livejournal.com
I recently snapped up reasonably-priced copies of PR and CT and re-read them for the first time in quite a few years. Here are some of my thoughts:

1. The Bronte discussion in the library in PR is fascinating but are we really supposed to agree with Karen that Gondal and Angria were a complete waste of time? Charlotte gave up Angria but it's an obvious influence on the Rochester backstory in Jane Eyre. I seem to remember from Juliet Barker's biography of the Brontes that Wuthering Heights is much more of a Gondal story than it seems as the Gondal setting was similar to Yorkshire. If Gondal and Angria were essential to the published works, weren't they a necessary part of the Brontes' creative development? Has critical opinion changed on this in the decades since PR was published?

2. When Peter pins Nicola down and twists her arm behind her back, it seems cruel and out of character for him. It could just be that he hasn't quite realised that he is getting too strong to fight with her like they did as children - but then I remembered that Foley does something similar to Nicola in TMATT and I wondered if Peter was subconsciously copying him. Foley gets mentioned in PR (because of the treachery theme coming up again I guess) and it's stated that Peter doesn't remember all that happened. I wondered if the arm-twisting incident was something he internalised and is now acting out - so that, whatever he says, Foley is still an influence on him.

3. Cricket Term - how far ahead is Karen planning? She tells Nicola that Colebridge Grammar is one of her arguments for staying in the Tranters' cottage. I wonder if she is looking ahead to starting a family of her own, because if they save on school fees and/or her family waive the rent for the cottage it makes it harder for Edwin to say they can't afford any more children. I can't see him being keen on going through the dirty nappy stage again and maybe she is already thinking how to counter his arguments?

Otherwise, I'm not sure why Karen is so keen to stay near to Trennels. Edwin doesn't get on that well with her family and you would think they'd do better making a fresh start further away.
[identity profile] richenda.livejournal.com
The excellent [personal profile] oursin got me back to reading Margaret Drabble, and I've just found falconers on the Heath in The Middle Ground

Hugo,"walking alone on the heath, saw a strange sight, two young men with a huge Alsation, and hooded hawks on their  wrists."
He speculates whether hawking for small birds might be illegal in this country.
[identity profile] childeproof.livejournal.com
Re-reading the beginning of Attic Term and two things struck me for the umpteenth time. And now that I have somewhere to niggle, quibble and poke...

One was that the Marlows and Merricks always have dinner in the middle of the day, or at least a meal which is referred to as dinner and which is clearly fairly substantial (involving in Nicola's case gammon and salad, followed by damson pudding, all wheeled in by Doris). In fact, midday dinner becomes a minor plot point in, I think, Run Away Home when the indefatigable Mrs Bertie, presumably weary of continually putting up sandwiches for various Marlows, says she plans to ask Mrs Marlow if they can have dinner in the evening instead.

Now, while I grew up on midday dinner as a working-class child in 1970s Ireland, I wondered about the (a) the logic and (b) the class issues surrounding midday dinner in the (admittedly sliding) timescale of the Marlow novels. Midday dinner, as distinct from midday 'lunch' and an evening dinner, has always been a working class arrangement for me, or, I gather, a regional designation for any kind of midday meal in some places. (But, I thought northern, so not Trennels, then.) Also, while I see the logic of active outdoor workers like Rowan having a substantial midday meal for energy purposes, but it seems deeply inconvenient for all at Trennels in the school holidays...? And while I am capable of appreciating the various factors that contributed to the moving around of the dinner-hour in the 18th and 19thc - fashion, snobbery, daylight vs artificial light etc - I realise I know much less about the moving about of mealtimes in the latter half of the 20thc.

Are the Marlows representative of their time and class in their meal times? (What do they eat at night and what do they call it? Am only recalling the much more informal meals, like the late-night omelettes of Run Away Home, and speaking of which - I've always been intrigued by the sweet and rum omelettes, of which I have never previously heard. My partner claims Forest must mean crepes or pancakes, but I say that if she says omelettes, that's what she means...)

Second question, which is actually just that, as I know little or nothing of hunting:

At the post-cubbing Merrick breakfast table at the beginning of Attic Term, Mr Merrick is unobtrusively defending Nicola against the mild-but-not-all-that-pleasant jibes of Patrick and Ginty about her riding skills. When Nicola retorts to some remark about a hunting fall she had the previous season by saying to Patrick 'And you jumped on me, near's no matter', Mr Merrick's eyebrows 'commented unfavourably on this breach of hunting etiquette.'

Now, is the actual 'breach of hunting etiquette' the fact that Patrick almost jumped on the fallen Nicola, or the fact that one or both of them has breached hunting manners by dragging up old scores from the previous year which should be put to bed politely by now?

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